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he would go on to become a lawyer after a rare education in a white supremacist nation that was explicitly ordered around the oppression and degradation of the black majority of its people. mandela co-founded the youth league of the african national progress dedicated to equal rights and overthrowing the system of apartheid, the racial segregation upon which the republic of south africa had been founded. for this activity, the government armed with a vast secret police branded mandela an enemy of the state. mandela was forced into hiding. in a stunning 1961 broadcast, his first televised interview, the 42-year-old activist spoke with itn's brian woodlake. >> i asked him what it was that the africans really wanted. >> the africans require, want the franchise on the basis of one man, one vote. >> do you see africans being able to develop in this country without the europeans being pushed out? >> we have made it very clear in our policy that south africa is a country of many races. that there's room for all the races in this country. >> mandela emerged from hiding and would be tried for treas
he would go on to become a lawyer after a rare education in a white supremacist nation that was explicitly ordered around the oppression and degradation of the black majority of its people. mandela co-founded the youth league of the african national progress dedicated to equal rights and overthrowing the system of apartheid, the racial segregation upon which the republic of south africa had been founded. for this activity, the government armed with a vast secret police branded mandela an enemy...
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he used his law school experience, his educated man experience. and there's a wonderful quote in his auto biography where he talks about consensus building. and he used his experience watching the tribal council and chiefs. he said the chief works like a shepherd whereupon the others follow not realizing that all along they are being directed from behind. eugene robinson, joy reid, thank you for joining us. >>> chris matthews is up next. >>> tonight we bring to you my interview with president obama. i have covered two great world events in my career. one was the fall of the berlin wall in 1989. the other was the first democratic election in south africa five years later. i was there when the country's black majority voted by the millions, waiting in lines that stretched from one horizon to the other. i saw first hand the devotion to democracy. it was the great legacy of the man who died today. president obama paid tribute to nelson mandela today.
he used his law school experience, his educated man experience. and there's a wonderful quote in his auto biography where he talks about consensus building. and he used his experience watching the tribal council and chiefs. he said the chief works like a shepherd whereupon the others follow not realizing that all along they are being directed from behind. eugene robinson, joy reid, thank you for joining us. >>> chris matthews is up next. >>> tonight we bring to you my...
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and charlayne, he talked about education. and they called robin island mandela university. you have this place that is a horror where he was for 27 years, and yet his influence was to make it something positive for the other people. >> for other people like saki and others like him, he insisted they learn. because saki was a young man when he went to prison. some of them were 16, 17 years old. and so rather than see their environment as a prison, he and the other leaders turned it into something that was productive. as saki just said, they had faith and they had hope. but they also had faith that those people running around that prison yard and sometimes playing soccer also had to study their books so that one day they would be able to lead the country as people like saki and some of the others who were there on robin island do it today. >> and while doing it they had hard physical labor. he contracted tuberculosis while he was at robin island. but you mentioned how he made friends with the guards. and the wardens there. he was not an idealist. he was very pragmatic. i mean
and charlayne, he talked about education. and they called robin island mandela university. you have this place that is a horror where he was for 27 years, and yet his influence was to make it something positive for the other people. >> for other people like saki and others like him, he insisted they learn. because saki was a young man when he went to prison. some of them were 16, 17 years old. and so rather than see their environment as a prison, he and the other leaders turned it into...
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we have an issue, what's going to happen in terms of education and labor force? >> the working poor conversation. >> exactly. that is very -- blacks and hispanics are at the epicenter of that along with education. and we're not going to solve this in the next month. every time the rate gets better, a lot of people get angry. either the numbers are gained or their own situation, i've still got $15,000 here, got payments and health care issues and that's the discussion that we'll have next year. >> zachary, we haven't seen you in a while. great having you on. >> we're tracking two winter storms. icy mess in the south and headed east. along with another blast of snow and freezing rain, not far behind. we're just learning the weather has forced cancellation of a big marathon in texas this weekend. we'll get an update from the weather channel. >>> pope francis responds to complaints that he largely ignored the catholic church's child abuse crisis. how the pope is now addressing it. but first -- ♪ >> more on the life of nelson mandela with live pictures outside his f
we have an issue, what's going to happen in terms of education and labor force? >> the working poor conversation. >> exactly. that is very -- blacks and hispanics are at the epicenter of that along with education. and we're not going to solve this in the next month. every time the rate gets better, a lot of people get angry. either the numbers are gained or their own situation, i've still got $15,000 here, got payments and health care issues and that's the discussion that we'll have...
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supreme court declared that separate educational facilities are inherently unequal, the year before we said separate but equal was dead, they codified it for their nation, the apartness, the apartheid, separate park bench, separate everything. everything assigned to specific races, and the lion's share of everything and the best of everything reserved only for the white minority. black people had no right to vote. people classified as colored, for a while they had a right to represent specifically for white people to represent them. but eventually that was stripped too. only the white minority had the vote. only the white minority was represented in government and only the white minority had any say whatsoever in the affairs of the country. 80% of the country lived entirely segregated and without representation under white rule. 80% of the country. and by 1960, the resistance to apartheid, the demonstrations against it had started to zero in on those passbooks, the papers please laws which made your mere existence criminal if you were challenged by a white person as to what you were do
supreme court declared that separate educational facilities are inherently unequal, the year before we said separate but equal was dead, they codified it for their nation, the apartness, the apartheid, separate park bench, separate everything. everything assigned to specific races, and the lion's share of everything and the best of everything reserved only for the white minority. black people had no right to vote. people classified as colored, for a while they had a right to represent...
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he lived through apartheid and couldn't find a job or get the education he wanted. his only goal was that i could do those things. and with nelson mandela, i could. they feel that gratitude to him and these are very young people today. it's the sense this isn't really even memories, it's the active workings of his message and work he did in his life. it's important for people to feel like this is an ongoing struggle. there's still difficulties in society here today, it's a democratic society now but there's a big gap between rich and poor. people feel they dont want that momentum he started and acted upon to be just words now. want to make sure it lives on in action. people are talking about that. people are coming here with their entire families and friends of various races and they are really making it known how they felt about nelson mandela and how they still feel about them. >> a dynamic slice of history you're going through. a lot planned in terms of memorials. what's on the schedule? >> first of all, this sunday, the president has declared it a national day o
he lived through apartheid and couldn't find a job or get the education he wanted. his only goal was that i could do those things. and with nelson mandela, i could. they feel that gratitude to him and these are very young people today. it's the sense this isn't really even memories, it's the active workings of his message and work he did in his life. it's important for people to feel like this is an ongoing struggle. there's still difficulties in society here today, it's a democratic society...
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the government creates a new system of education. they force classes to be taught in aftrikans. the decision will prove disastrous. >> i was busy in my consulting rooms early morning of june the 16th, 1976. when i heard this hum, like the hum of bees. >> reporter: in the johannesburg township of soweto, students are marching against the new education measures. >> this is illegal. >> reporter: police are sent to quell the protests. they open fire on the students. >> from then on, soweto began to burn. >> reporter: news of the uprising spreads quickly throughout the country, as do other protests and riots. >> south africa was aflame. there was a struggle for liberation, for freedom that this government could not control. >> the soweto uprising of 1976 was a privatal moment in south african history, and mandela realize it had. >> reporter: in prison mandela reads about and is encouraged by the uprising. >> all of the work that he had done for all of these years was actually now bearing fruit, and that there was a revolutionary environment in south africa. >> reporter: outside south
the government creates a new system of education. they force classes to be taught in aftrikans. the decision will prove disastrous. >> i was busy in my consulting rooms early morning of june the 16th, 1976. when i heard this hum, like the hum of bees. >> reporter: in the johannesburg township of soweto, students are marching against the new education measures. >> this is illegal. >> reporter: police are sent to quell the protests. they open fire on the students. >>...
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supreme court declared that separate educational facilities are inherently unequal, the year before we said, separate but equal was dead, south africa codified it, explicitly, for their nation. the apartness, the apartheid system of separate schools, separate hospitals, separate beaches, separate buses, separate park benches, separate everything, everything assigned to specific races, and the lion's share of everything, and of course, the best of everything, reserved only for the white minority. black people had no right to vote. people classified as "colored," for a while, they had a right to vote specifically for white people to represent them, but eventually that was stripped too. only the white minority had the vote in the end. only the white minority was represented in government and only the white minority had any say whatsoever of the affairs in the nation. 80% of the country lived entirely segregated and without representation under white rule. 80% of the country. and by 1960, the resistance to apartheid, the demonstrations against it, had started to zero in on those passbooks,
supreme court declared that separate educational facilities are inherently unequal, the year before we said, separate but equal was dead, south africa codified it, explicitly, for their nation. the apartness, the apartheid system of separate schools, separate hospitals, separate beaches, separate buses, separate park benches, separate everything, everything assigned to specific races, and the lion's share of everything, and of course, the best of everything, reserved only for the white...
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system from those decades of poor education of the black majority. but now they are holding this government accountable. i think that may, again, surprising to me, but that may have accounted for the booing. it's been a lot of publicity about the mansions he has built in his home for his ever expanding family. the zulu culture polygamy is acceptable and he has accepted it -- well, he's accepted it. so you know, that doesn't sit well with people who are living as many of those people -- when i saw that water running through soweto while there is that beautiful complex that i talked about, the house that we were in, lovely house, and many more houses for black people than they have ever had, there was still shacks that were about to be overrun by that water. that almost brings tears to your eyes. >> charlene hunter gault, your unique perspective, thank you very much. we'll continue to talk to you this week as the body of nelson mandela lies in repose, brought to pretoria and burial. thanks, charlene. tens of thousands of south africans, world dignitari
system from those decades of poor education of the black majority. but now they are holding this government accountable. i think that may, again, surprising to me, but that may have accounted for the booing. it's been a lot of publicity about the mansions he has built in his home for his ever expanding family. the zulu culture polygamy is acceptable and he has accepted it -- well, he's accepted it. so you know, that doesn't sit well with people who are living as many of those people -- when i...
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or maybe just have a high school education. if you have a college degree, we're seeing job growth in professional and business services, certainly in engineering which continues to be kind of a real driver of jobs, health care is net hire job creator over the last several years and hires nurses and other technicians. there are good jobs being created. when you look at this total number, say, 200,000-plus this month, certainly a good percentage of them were in the lower wage category. but then we want -- those people who are out of work having the hardest time, need those jobs, too. >> we saw the fight over raising the minimum wage heat up this week. you wrote an interesting piece about the rise of income inequality. what would raising the minimum wage do in this country to close the income gap? do we even know? >> first of all, i'm all in favor of having this discussion about wages and equality. the minimum wage, only 5% of the entire workforce gets paid at the minimum wage or below. 20 states have a state minimum wage signific
or maybe just have a high school education. if you have a college degree, we're seeing job growth in professional and business services, certainly in engineering which continues to be kind of a real driver of jobs, health care is net hire job creator over the last several years and hires nurses and other technicians. there are good jobs being created. when you look at this total number, say, 200,000-plus this month, certainly a good percentage of them were in the lower wage category. but then...
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republicans who block investments in things like early education and immigration reform, today we educate the world's top talent in our colleges and then send them back to their home countries are harming our future. conservatives need to think differently about the near term safety nets we need to ease some people through this period and liberals need to think more seriously about how we can incentivize and unleash risk takers to start new companies that create growth, wealth and good jobs. to have more employees we need more employers. just redividing a slow growing pie will not sustain the american dream. >> harold? >> tom, harold ford, good morning. how do we incentivize congress to understand these numbers. joe and mika had arne on talking about testing and ensuring our kids can compete with kids around the globe. how do we get policymakers and particularly those in washington to grasp what you write about not only this time but often? >> harold, i'm a big believer this is a big problem. we've gotten into it over a long period of time. and it takes a comprehensive solution. so, the w
republicans who block investments in things like early education and immigration reform, today we educate the world's top talent in our colleges and then send them back to their home countries are harming our future. conservatives need to think differently about the near term safety nets we need to ease some people through this period and liberals need to think more seriously about how we can incentivize and unleash risk takers to start new companies that create growth, wealth and good jobs. to...